Forgive me, Andrew.
Let’s back up a little bit. I
would love for you to try and argue that belief is a detriment to society. I would also love to see you try and argue
against the definition of faith both Biblical and secular sources utilize. So, please in your next posts, attempt either
of those arguments.
With regard to your silly “dragon in my pants” argument, I
have addressed it by asking you for evidence.
You have yet to provide any. I
myself think it wise for you to stop using this argument. I know that you are
attempting to mock Christianity, but I fear that it only makes you look
foolish. Our readers seem to agree.
So again, forgive me for going too fast. I would love for us
to back up and address those issues. And if you insist on using the silly
dragon example, please provide some evidence, any evidence. I mean why do you believe there is a dragon
in your pants? Have you seen it? Have
you felt it? Is there any evidence of him in the world? Is there anything that it has created? Does anyone else believe it exists?
Tim:
ReplyDeleteLet's play a little game of substitution, shall we?
"With regard to your silly “God” argument, I have addressed it by asking you for evidence. You have yet to provide any. I myself think it wise for you to stop using this argument. I know that you are attempting to mock The Dragon, but I fear that it only makes you look foolish. Our readers seem to agree.
So again, forgive me for going too fast. I would love for us to back up and address those issues. And if you insist on using the silly God example, please provide some evidence, any evidence. I mean why do you believe there is a God? Have you seen it? Have you felt it? Is there any evidence of him in the world? Is there anything that it has created? Does anyone else believe it exists?"
Wow, interesting how the shoe can easily reside on another foot, yes?
Tim, you should be careful what you say against The Dragon Trinity, or SMAD may see fit to have you burn in the fires of the Dragonzord. When you hear the flute calling in the background it may be to late for you to repent, but there is time to act now. Forsake your heathen life and embrace the true glory that is SMAD! Only then will you find true salvation of your soul.
ReplyDeleteThis is so stupid and such a waste of time. This explains exactly why Atheists believe the way they do and follow only evolution.
ReplyDeleteIf they can claim that there is as much evidence for God as to the dragon in Andrew's pants, then something is absolutely wrong with them, this flat out dumb arguments are used when they have nothing intellectual to say.
The fact is that strong Atheist deny the existence of God and this blog has done nothing to disprove his existence, it has only mentioned things disliked about God and comparisons to boogie monsters and the like.
A little game of substitution... seriously, come on. This arguments would not be given any weight in a serious conversation.
Evidence for God, regardless or how good you think it may be, what do you have for Thor or the stupid dragon in your pants.
We have thousands of actual scrolls and documents that are very ancient.
We Jesus that actually lived 2000 years ago.
We have eye witness testimonies from the writers of the new testament.
Lots of things in the bible are historically correct and predicted prophecies are documented
Bible explains not the how, but also the why things were created, why we have different races, languages, etc.
Other historians have mentioned Christ outside the bible
God claimed to have created life, we have yet to determine how life came to be.
(you can claim it doesn't mean God did it, but until you know otherwise, it stands. The same is done in science, the current theory stands until something better replaces it, darwinism, puntuacted equilibrium, neo-darwinism, etc.)
Jewish people, a religion even older than Christianity believes in the same God of the bible, they must also be incorrect about the supernatural.
Where is all the evidence, (evidence not proof), since you guys apparently don't know what the difference is) for Thor, or the dragon you like to keep in your pants?
Also why do guys keep attacking Christianity, do you really think Islam is much better, I would love to see you tackle them.
Also to ask for proof of supernatural is completely meaningless. If it could be shown or easily repeatable or demonstrated, it would be natural and not supernatural, by definition, its something which can't be detected using natural means.
ReplyDeleteThis doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
Again, before we had microscopes, we could not see bacteria, but they existed. Just because you can't see something, doesn't make it no so, if this were the case, then science would have stayed back in the 18th century.
Anonymous (ahh, how brave you are):
ReplyDeleteThe "little game of substitution" was to show how easy it is to belittle the standpoint of *anything*, including God, Vishnu, Allah, The Celestial Teapot, etc. Congrats on the mouth foam though, it's cute.
There are lots of fictional books written with historical facts interwoven, does that make them true?
You have scrolls scribbled down from 2000 years ago; there are fossils of macroscopic lifeforms from 488 million years ago, if I write a book about them now, tossing in factual evidence, but completely bullshitting my way through 95% of the book, does that make it fact?
All you guys are doing is showing how ignorant and childish you are. All you do is mock whats written instead of tacking the issues. Every single instance has gone back to a dragon on his pants, the spaghetti monster or the now the Celestial Teapot.
ReplyDeleteIf you want to discuss those guys, maybe you should debate some from spaghetti monster church.
Human Ape Along for the Ride, you can call me whatever you want, I see your name is oh so brave. What you wrote makes no sense, you guys need to learn a little about the bible before you decide to debate it, it isn't JUST ONE book, it is over 40 written in a period of over 1500 years by different people, different areas, etc. They did not sit down one day and decided, hey lets make the number one seller of all time people, they did not profit from it, they had absolutely no reason to lie.
As a matter of fact, if you found scrolls mentioning a certain type of animal, bunch of different scrolls from different time periods, but yet you've never seen that animal, do you assume automatically it never existed? That it is a lie?
You claim it is a lie only because you don't like what it says, not because of anything else. Stop playing kid games and get to the facts of why you know the book is a lie!!!
I got sick of this thing awhile back when Tim posted some great not cited pseudoscience about how the Earth's place in the solar system proves the existence of a designer. Also someone corrected one of his claims and he just ignored it and moved on to the next flawed argument. They have no proof of God and somehow, the burden is on us to disprove the existence of a god. Andrew does not have to mock Christianity, the thousands of denominations that claim to be doing the right one do a good enough job of mocking it themselves. The idiocy of Christian right, that thinks homosexuality is a disease and is immoral and that Gay can be prayed away. They do a good job of mocking themselves.
ReplyDelete"I would love for you to try and argue that belief is a detriment to society."- I got this one its called faith healing and it doesn't work. It's called homeopathic drugs, you can believe hard that they are going to cure something and oh..they don't. It's called Harold Camping predicting the end of the world, (another bright sect of Christians predicting the end of the world). The people that pumped money into that end of the world scam... Belief really helped them. You can't believe something and make it true.
Then some of these ass-hats have the nerve to argue that non-believers have no sense of morality. Morality, ask that to the priests that touch boys on their private parts. God appears to men in the Bible or other holy book but in modern times...nah.. He just quits appearing before mankind in modern times. Helps Moses part the Red sea...brings people back to life..but can't cure cancer, or prevent a priest from sodomizing a child...Must have been in his plan. Down Syndrome, Gods perfect Design!.. Still Birth, God's Plan.
hey Tim, why was my comment deleted?
ReplyDeleteHMMMM. I am not sure what happened. I did not delete it. I am guessing Andrew must have. It was a good comment too. You probably do not still have it, but if you do, please post it again. Tim
ReplyDeleteyeah, I don't have it? Why would he have deleted it?
ReplyDeleteI meant I don't have it..
ReplyDeleteHi unknownseedsower, while I agree that not all of Tim's points are great, thats about as far as I agree with what you had to say.
ReplyDeleteAs far as proof goes, proofs belong to Mathematics. What we do is provide evidence and we then form an opinion on that evidence.
Atheism claims there is no God, we claim there is, so the burden is on both, provide your evidence for not believing in God and also what evidence you have that the bible
isnt true.
Andrew does mock Christianity. You claim that Christianity mocks itself by having thousands of denominations. While this is a ridiculous exageration, it means nothing,
humans have their own presuppositions and that affects how they view the world and how they decide to worship, but the fact is that most of the denominations follow what we call,
the essentials of the faith. Are you saying that all Atheists have the same views in life? That those views don't affect anything? You are misrepresenting Chritianity just to elevate your agenda.
Whoever said that homosexuality is a disease? We simply say it is a sin. We do not discriminate or belittle them, we ask them to repent and turn to God..
I mean in your evolutionist thinking, how is this survival of the species? It obviously goes against nature.
So what about homeopathic drugs, you really are all over the place with subjects, almost trying to find anything you can blame Christianity on.
This is ridiculous? This is a personal choice and has nothing to do with being a Christian, are you saying that no Atheists believes in homeopathic drugs?
People after all have other desires, inspirations, or simply preferences to how they live their life, but yet you seem to atrtibute anything a Christian does to the bible or Christianity.
Harold Camping, yet again another subject having nothing to do with the bible. Yes he is wrong, mnost Christians agree that he is incorrect.
You go and mention the one, hundreds, thousands maybe? out billions of Christians to prove a ficticious point. This is a fallacy and completey irrelevant.
yes he took people money and it is a scam, again, it is incorrect? Why do you fail to mention any scams run by non-believers? Does that stem from Atheism itself?
Name calling seems to be a hit when you have nothing intellectual to say.
ReplyDeleteMorality, any Christians who say that Atheist aren't moral are completely wrong and argue from personal opinion. What Tim and I have stated on this blog, and what is mosts
Christians stance is that you have no OBJECTIVE source for your morality, there is a big difference. I have many friends who are Atheists and are very moral people.
Are you saying that the priests that touch boys are doing God's work, are you saying this is God's command? or maybe it is all on him. You blame Christianity for the behavior of
one person, am I glad you aren't a judge. Christianity does not condone these behaviors just as much as your Atheism.
God appeared to men in the bible but not now. If you are going to debate the bible, you really need to study and not speak from ignorance. The bible clearly states
that there would be no more messengers after Jesus. Also you say God does not appear to man now, this is because you don't believe, there are thousands of muslims
converting to Christianity because of visions and dreams of Jesus, but of course you don't believe it. What you are asking is that God show himself to every single Atheist, becuase otherwise
you wont believe any testimony from someone else, and this is ridiculous.
Diseases now, yet another topic in the rant. Well again, maybe you should read genesis, hey is only the first book.
Genesis explains the world was good, not perfect, and that all changed after the fall, diseases, etc are all a cause from sin.
Besides as an Atheist, shouldn't you be blaming evolution for for all these diseases, survival of the fittest right?
See you misrepresent God, you misrepresent Christianity, and mostly it shows how it isn't that you don't believe in God, but the fact that you don't like him.
"The Dragon Example Makes You Look Silly"
ReplyDeleteand your magic invisible friend who lives in the sky doesn't make you look silly? LOLZ
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